{"id":30880,"date":"2026-06-28T23:46:51","date_gmt":"2026-06-28T23:46:51","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/skylight.gr\/?p=30880"},"modified":"2026-07-01T00:24:17","modified_gmt":"2026-07-01T00:24:17","slug":"tim-pope-mtv-the-cure-and-beyond","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/skylight.gr\/index.php\/2026\/06\/28\/tim-pope-mtv-the-cure-and-beyond\/","title":{"rendered":"Tim Pope &#8211; MTV, The Cure, and Beyond"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>This is an interview with Tim Pope, film director and author of the book: <strong>I Shoot Rock Stars (foreword by Robert Smith<\/strong>). <\/em><br><br><em>Book description: A wildly entertaining insider account of the anarchic early MTV era from the director behind iconic videos for The Cure, Queen, David Bowie, Wham!, Neil Young, and others. Pope captures the moment music videos transformed pop culture into a visual medium\u2014with outrageous on-set stories, creative excess, and firsthand portraits of artists at their creative peak.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>1. MTV is often described as a cultural turning point. From your perspective, what made the birth of MTV such a radical shift for music and visual culture?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">While the birth of MTV was undoubtedly a huge turning point &#8211; in that audiences could suddenly see our work 24\/7 &#8211; my own career was already well underway in the UK. One of my first major videos was for Soft Cell&#8217;s \u2018Bedsitter\u2019, the follow-up to their worldwide hit \u2018Tainted Love\u2019.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In fact, I didn&#8217;t actually see MTV until 1983, when I first came to the United States to work with Neil Young. I remember switching it on and being astonished to see six of my videos play one after another.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">By 1982, I had begun working with Robert Smith and The Cure, and I can&#8217;t honestly say MTV changed the way I made videos. In fact, we were often quite defiant when the channel suggested we alter aspects of our work to make it more \u2018MTV-able\u2019. We preferred to follow our own instincts rather than fit a formula, and to hell with the consequences.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">That said, there&#8217;s no question MTV gave many of the artists I worked with, including The Cure, an extraordinary level of exposure. It transformed music videos from promotional films into a global cultural force.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>2. Your memoir highlights a period when music videos were still experimental and unregulated. What freedoms\u2014and pressures, came with working in that chaotic early environment?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The brilliant thing was that nobody had a clue what a music video was supposed to be. There wasn&#8217;t a handbook, there weren&#8217;t record company marketing departments breathing down your neck, and there certainly wasn&#8217;t anyone talking about algorithms or &#8216;content&#8217;. We were all making it up as we went along.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">That meant we could pretty much try anything. If I wanted Smithy to be inside a wardrobe which gets chucked off a clifftop, to build a giant spider\u2019s mouth to suck him in, or plaster giant dancing fluorescent socks all over the screen, nobody would stop me &#8211; as long as it could be done on the budget. The artists were up for it, too. They were just as keen to push things as I was.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The pressure was that we had to deliver. Budgets were initially laughably small, and time was always against us. You&#8217;d have a mad idea on Monday and be filming it by Wednesday.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Looking back, it was a glorious time because there were no rules to break &#8211; we were inventing them. Sometimes,&nbsp; we&#8217;d fall flat on our faces, but when it worked, you knew you&#8217;d made something that people hadn&#8217;t seen before. That&#8217;s what made those early years a rollercoaster, but a hell of a fun ride.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>&nbsp;3. You worked with some of the biggest names in music, including David Bowie, Queen, and Neil Young. What was it like entering the creative world of artists who were already at their peak?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The story of my book is really about a kid growing up in the north London suburbs, spending his hard-earned money on the latest records by the artists he idolised. So, to end up working with many of them was pretty great.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">David Bowie was the big one. Working with him had always been my dream, and by 1986, I was doing exactly that. Iggy Pop introduced us in New York and, within seconds of meeting Bowie, I very nearly blew it by being far too mouthy. (You&#8217;ll have to read the book for the full story of our first, rather hilarious exchange.)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I&#8217;d seen Queen play Hyde Park in 1976 and then found myself directing them ten years later. At one point, I dressed dear Freddie in an outfit that some people \u2013 including members of the band \u2013 thought made him look like a giant Mediterranean prawn. (Again, the full story&#8217;s in the book.)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Neil Young was different. I wasn&#8217;t really familiar with his music when we first worked together, which is probably why I wasn&#8217;t remotely intimidated. Since then, I&#8217;ve come to appreciate just how extraordinary he is, and we&#8217;re still working together today.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Looking back, I think what comes across in the book is that I was blissfully fearless. I never really treated these people as untouchable legends. I treated them as collaborators, wasn&#8217;t afraid to throw out ridiculous ideas, and I suspect that&#8217;s exactly why so many of them wanted to work with me.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-embed-aspect-4-3 wp-has-aspect-ratio wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"David Bowie - Time Will Crawl (Official Video)\" width=\"640\" height=\"480\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/YHU28e8hZkA?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>4. Many of your shoots are described as wildly imaginative or even absurd. Can you talk about one production that nearly went off the rails but ultimately became iconic?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">One of my favorites has to be the wardrobe shoot for &#8216;Close to Me\u2019, mentioned earlier, and from which many people know my name.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I&#8217;d crammed the entire band inside this wardrobe because I wanted the video to reflect the close, claustrophobic feel of Robert&#8217;s vocal. It seemed like a great idea on paper.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">At the time, I was working with a cameraman who took an exceptionally long time to light a set. Considering it was just a wardrobe, we had enough lamps to illuminate Wembley Stadium. By the time we finally called the band in to set it, it was nearly seven in the evening &#8211; almost twelve hours after they&#8217;d first arrived at the studio.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">During that wait, they&#8217;d been doing what rock bands did rather well in the 1980s: celebrating, with vast quantities of alcohol.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">To this day, I break out in a sweat thinking about it. We somehow squeezed the band, my crew and me &#8211; eight people in total &#8211; inside that wardrobe. It was hot, cramped and chaotic.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Five minutes after we finally started rolling, Lol, who was usually the target of the band&#8217;s merciless mickey-taking, suddenly let out a blood-curdling scream. His hair had become caught in the mechanism pulling the 35mm film through the camera.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Everything stopped while we cut him free&#8230; along with a sizeable chunk of his hair.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I have dozens of stories like this, but that one&#8217;s always been a favorite. I suspect it\u2019s not one of Lol\u2019s favorites.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>5. From giant prawns to exploding wardrobes, your work often pushed visual boundaries. Where did these surreal ideas come from, and how were they received at the time?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The answer is simple: the music. Always the music.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In the book, I talk about what I refer to as the &#8216;crawl space\u2019 within a piece of music. I tried to crawl inside it and find the place where the images already existed. My aim was to create visuals that truly felt as though they&#8217;d been born at exactly the same moment as the song. They were inseparable &#8211; image and sound.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Yes, people often ask where the giant prawns, wardrobes,&nbsp;and all the other surreal ideas came from. They didn&#8217;t come from me trying to be weird. They came from listening. If the music felt strange, euphoric, claustrophobic or absurd, I wanted the visuals to feel exactly the same.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Too many music videos simply illustrate a song, where they lie on top, instead of becoming part of it. Surely the whole point is to make you hear the music in a new way &#8211; to make you want to listen?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>6. How did the rise of MTV change the relationship between music and image, and do you think that shift ultimately helped or constrained artistic expression?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I think I&#8217;ve probably already answered some of that, but I can expand a little.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Without doubt, MTV introduced countless British bands to American audiences, and vice versa. I&#8217;ve mentioned before my own fanboy obsession with David Bowie. Growing up, it was almost impossible to actually see him unless you went to a gig. I vividly remember staying in on New Year&#8217;s Eve just to watch him duet with Bing Crosby. Moments like that were rare.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Then MTV arrived, and suddenly artists were in your living room every day. It made musicians accessible in a way they&#8217;d never been before, and the films they made &#8211; sometimes on an epic scale, like Ultravox\u2019s \u2018Vienna&#8217; \u2013 could have just as much impact as the records themselves. In some cases, they became inseparable. You didn&#8217;t just hear a song; you saw it. Certain images became lodged in your head forever.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Inevitably, though, corporatization crept in. Budgets got bigger, expectations got higher, and the industry became increasingly formulaic. Musicians sometimes felt like bit-part players in directors&#8217; grand visions rather than the driving force behind them. Clich\u00e9s-a-go-go proliferated. Pretty soon, there were endless windswept cliffs, abandoned warehouses, smoke machines, and pouting models, all looking suspiciously familiar.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I was always conscious of trying to push against that. In the first video I made with Talk Talk, we covered Mark Hollis&#8217;s mouth with gaffer tape as a protest against musicians endlessly miming like puppets. It was our little dig at the conventions that were already starting to take hold.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">At its best, MTV gave artists another canvas and opened up extraordinary possibilities. At its worst, it encouraged style over substance. Like most revolutions, it was both liberating and limiting.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Talk Talk - Such A Shame (Official Video)\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/lLdvpFIPReA?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>7. Your collaboration with Robert Smith and The Cure is often described as legendary. What made that partnership so creatively successful and enduring?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Frankly, when we made those first videos, I had no idea whether anybody ever saw them. We&#8217;d make them, send them off to MTV, and I&#8217;d think no more about it. It wasn&#8217;t until I went to see The Cure at Giants Stadium on the<em>&nbsp;Prayer&nbsp;<\/em>album tour that it suddenly dawned on me that probably most of the 45,000 people in the audience had grown up watching those videos. It was quite a moment of realisation.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Robert and I definitely had a connection, and I&#8217;d put that down to a shared vision. We approached the work in much the same way. Neither of us wanted to make the obvious choice. We were both happy to embrace the surreal, the funny, the dark, and the downright daft if it served the music.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">We also made each other laugh, and I think that&#8217;s very evident in videos like &#8216;Friday I&#8217;m in Love&#8217; and &#8216;Why Can&#8217;t I Be You?\u2019<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">During the latter, the band was supposed to be performing carefully choreographed dance moves. At first, they were just mucking about, drinking beer, and being intentionally stupid. But the point where I nearly p****ed myself laughing was when they suddenly started taking the dancing completely seriously. They genuinely seemed to believe they were brilliant dancers, and the more earnest they became, the funnier it got.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I think trust was the real secret. Robert knew I&#8217;d never make him look foolish unless there was a good reason, and usually that reason was to make something memorable. Over the years, I stuffed him into wardrobes, hung him from wires, buried him under cobwebs, and squeezed him into a rather smelly polar bear costume. Somehow, he always said yes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The fact that, nearly forty years later, Smithy has written the foreword to my book and even recorded it for the audiobook probably says everything about why that partnership lasted. We still make each other laugh, and I consider him to be a real friend.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-embed-aspect-4-3 wp-has-aspect-ratio wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"The Cure - Friday I&amp;apos;m In Love\" width=\"640\" height=\"480\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/mGgMZpGYiy8?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>9. Looking back, do you think the &#8220;anything goes&#8221; spirit of the early MTV era could exist in today&#8217;s music and media landscape? Why or why not?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">No, I don&#8217;t think it could. We now exist in a world of algorithms, which I absolutely despise. They seem to dictate so much of what gets made and what gets seen.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Back then, I built relationships with artists. I wasn&#8217;t just hired to make a video; we got to know each other, and in some cases, those friendships have lasted over forty years. Today, record labels and management tend to control the process far more tightly. Directors are often kept at arm&#8217;s length from the bands, and I think something important gets lost when that personal connection disappears.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I&#8217;ve often described myself as a bespoke tailor. If you want a suit made especially for you, come to me. If you&#8217;re happy with something off the peg that looks like everyone else&#8217;s, there are plenty of people who can do that, too. Every artist deserves their own visual language, and that&#8217;s what always interested me.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I also don&#8217;t think music videos have quite the cultural impact they once did. There was a time when you&#8217;d hear people say, &#8220;Have you seen the new so-and-so video?&#8221; It became part of the conversation in the same way people talked about films or television. That excitement has inevitably faded because there are now so many ways to consume music and moving images.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">But I&#8217;m not grumbling. Times change. They always do. I was lucky enough to work during a golden period when almost anything seemed possible, and I wouldn&#8217;t swap those years for anything.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>10. Beyond the chaos and humor, your memoir also hints at more intimate moments with artists. What is something you learned about musicians that surprised you during those years?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I learned that, behind&nbsp;the gossamer curtain of fame, they are no different from you or me. They may be elevated to mythological status in the public imagination, but in the end, they&#8217;re just people.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"768\" height=\"1024\" src=\"http:\/\/skylight.gr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/TimPopeBook-768x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-30883\" srcset=\"https:\/\/skylight.gr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/TimPopeBook-768x1024.jpg 768w, https:\/\/skylight.gr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/TimPopeBook-225x300.jpg 225w, https:\/\/skylight.gr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/TimPopeBook-1024x1365.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/skylight.gr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/TimPopeBook.jpg 1086w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 768px) 100vw, 768px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Order the book here<\/strong>: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Shoot-Rock-Stars-Adventures-Director\/dp\/B0GV4N313K\">https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Shoot-Rock-Stars-Adventures-Director\/dp\/B0GV4N313K<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This is an interview with Tim Pope, film director and author of the book: I&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":30884,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"nf_dc_page":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[3,11],"tags":[235,489,2010,183,5166,667,455,5165,565,5164],"class_list":["post-30880","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-faqs","category-most-wanted-interviews","tag-books","tag-mtv","tag-music-books","tag-music-business","tag-music-video","tag-new-wave","tag-post-punk","tag-robert-smith","tag-the-cure","tag-tim-pope"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/skylight.gr\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/30880","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/skylight.gr\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/skylight.gr\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/skylight.gr\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/skylight.gr\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=30880"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/skylight.gr\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/30880\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":30901,"href":"https:\/\/skylight.gr\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/30880\/revisions\/30901"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/skylight.gr\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/30884"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/skylight.gr\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=30880"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/skylight.gr\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=30880"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/skylight.gr\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=30880"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}